'That's a shame' gets Kirk to look at him in confusion.
"It felt wrong because I thought you felt like you were forced into it. Like the only reason you weren't fighting back was because you thought I'd stop protecting your crew if you hit me."
He will probably tell Bones, anyway, to get a medical opinion. And he'll probably tell Spock, because he always asks for Spock's advice and then generally disregards it.
"You can't get out of it that easy, come on, you know all of this...even if you've never done it, you wouldn't have brought it up if it didn't interest you."
"I spent the last- nearly two years, now, in this world of yours, in either a cell, a combat situation, or a warlike state. Before that, I was trying to evacuate a loathed batch of refugees from all corners of the globe onto one ship, watching more of my friends and people be murdered every day. For years before that, we were at war- for a portion of that, I was a prisoner in my own time. I haven't had the freedom to think about the shapes of my desires since I was a foot shorter, a young twenty something."
Trying to explain for him.
"I remember it, but half of it would have memories attached too painful to touch on. The other half I'm sure I've grown out of. I don't know what I like."
"I don't mean it'd have bearing on the real world."
He admits, shaking his head.
"But you could take a hot poker to me, I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Or what you were doing to me, last time. It hurt. But I couldn't afford to break. Your stopping, earlier, this time, before I would be forced to make a sound, and telling me I had done enough, I'd enjoy that."
Kirk lets out a slow breath, because he's being very swayed by this line of thought. He can see, because he's also a tactician, how it could be maneuvered to his advantage. Khan could be made to feel less guilt, and perhaps his loyalty could be earned through feeling redemption the way he was taught to view it.
"Does this mean you feel guilt for what you did to Pike? To the others?"
"I don't feel anything, when I think about most of that year."
He admits, drawing a knee to his chest.
"It reminds me more of old Earth. I stood most of two days, once, tied in strappado. Do it to me again, and let me down before I betray myself screaming, this time."
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Date: 2013-05-31 02:52 am (UTC)Kirk admits, though he hasn't read even one percent of the summarized out there.
"Bar fights, that's me. Laying back and taking a beating--even when you were doing it for me, that felt wrong."
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Date: 2013-05-31 02:55 am (UTC)He admits, quietly, because it felt close to him.
"Perhaps we're ships in the night."
An expression that means nothing, any more.
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Date: 2013-05-31 02:58 am (UTC)"It felt wrong because I thought you felt like you were forced into it. Like the only reason you weren't fighting back was because you thought I'd stop protecting your crew if you hit me."
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:01 am (UTC)He agrees, because that's true.
"But more indirectly. I thought that if I displeased you, you'd stop protecting my crew. I liked working to please you."
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:02 am (UTC)He looks away, and then down at his boot for a moment, thinking about Khan's tongue there and the way he'd held Kirk's foot while he worked.
"Service shouldn't be about coercion."
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:04 am (UTC)He reminds him.
"I imagine you still are, parts of you. Can you separate service from that, as well? I think I'd find service to anger more difficult."
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:06 am (UTC)Kirk, at least, is a man of his word and a man of honor--his own special code, sure, but one he adheres to.
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:09 am (UTC)He agrees, inclining his head.
"I'd rather the rest of the crew didn't find out. Only your close friends, if you must."
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:13 am (UTC)He will probably tell Bones, anyway, to get a medical opinion. And he'll probably tell Spock, because he always asks for Spock's advice and then generally disregards it.
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:14 am (UTC)He says, shortly.
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:18 am (UTC)He clasps his hands together.
"What do you like?"
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:18 am (UTC)"I've- I'm not entirely sure."
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:21 am (UTC)"You can't get out of it that easy, come on, you know all of this...even if you've never done it, you wouldn't have brought it up if it didn't interest you."
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:25 am (UTC)Trying to explain for him.
"I remember it, but half of it would have memories attached too painful to touch on. The other half I'm sure I've grown out of. I don't know what I like."
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:29 am (UTC)"You need to tell me where those memories are, Khan. I'm not itching to go step on an emotional landmine."
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:30 am (UTC)He agrees, and opens his mouth. Then closes it again.
"I started to- I think I want to rephrase that."
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:39 am (UTC)It works.
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Date: 2013-05-31 03:52 am (UTC)Or set him off, or something potentially worse. But the way Khan had said that strikes Kirk in a deeply wonderful way, in spite of himself.
"So when the time comes, you need to tell me when to back off."
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Date: 2013-05-31 04:00 am (UTC)Is his tender explanation.
"What I remember most about the last time you hit me was you saying I didn't have to do it again."
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Date: 2013-05-31 04:06 am (UTC)"It doesn't work like that. If I started doing this, whatever it is, with you, it wouldn't be because at the end of it you'd be absolved."
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Date: 2013-05-31 04:09 am (UTC)He admits, shaking his head.
"But you could take a hot poker to me, I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Or what you were doing to me, last time. It hurt. But I couldn't afford to break. Your stopping, earlier, this time, before I would be forced to make a sound, and telling me I had done enough, I'd enjoy that."
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Date: 2013-05-31 04:13 am (UTC)"Does this mean you feel guilt for what you did to Pike? To the others?"
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Date: 2013-05-31 04:21 am (UTC)He admits, drawing a knee to his chest.
"It reminds me more of old Earth. I stood most of two days, once, tied in strappado. Do it to me again, and let me down before I betray myself screaming, this time."
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Date: 2013-05-31 04:24 am (UTC)And he asks it earnestly in a tone that implies he wants to help Khan.
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